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Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:14 am (PST) . Posted by:
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The Nation
November 4, 2012
US drones - reinforcing failure!
By Imran Malik
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The current US policy enunciates that every male of weapon carrying age in Fata/NWA could possibly be a terrorist and thus can be a legitimate target. This is an unjustifiable policy. It does not meet the strict canons of international law and justice.
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The foreign policy debate between Governor Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama was brutally realistic and portended ominous tidings for Pakistan. The US President did not need to elaborate on his drone policy, as it was being diligently and ruthlessly manifested by the CIA in the Fata/NWA literally as he spoke. Not surprisingly, Governor Romney agreed wholeheartedly with his opponent. This clearly indicated a bipartisan support to the USA’s drone policy towards the Taliban with ominous strategic connotations for Pakistan as well.
It, therefore, confirmed a continuation of US foreign policy approach towards the AfPak Region (APR) and the GWOT. The US strategic aims and objectives in the APR and the operational methodologies to attain them are unlikely to see any major changes in the near future. Thus, regardless of who wins the US presidency, innocent Pakistanis in Fata will continue to suffer death and destruction as the inevitable “collateral damage”.
The US is relying very heavily on the drones. It intends to defeat its adversaries without putting too many Americans at risk. But then a constant fixation on a single technology or methodology indicates a paucity of other viable strategic or diplomatic options. The incessant employment of drones is a clear case of diminishing returns as well as colossal human sufferings.
It is endlessly repeating what is continuously failing to make any tangible impact on the Taliban or militants or bringing its strategic objectives any nearer. It has neither been able to pacify the Taliban, nor defeat them or force them to negotiate from a position of weakness. It is a classic case of adamantly and stubbornly reinforcing failure.
The US needs to change tack. And if media reports are to be believed, the US may even pre-pone its departure from the APR, then it would add to the urgency of finding an alternative methodology to deal with this situation. (Assuming that the Pakistanis will not venture into the NWA unless solely dictated by their national interests.)
The current US policy enunciates that every male of weapon carrying age in Fata/NWA could possibly be a terrorist and thus can be a legitimate target. This is an unjustifiable policy. It does not meet the strict canons of international law and justice. It needs to be re-scrutinised and reviewed. The drones are killing scores of innocent men, women and children for the reported scalp of an odd low-to-middle ranking terrorist. Do the costs (in innocent human lives) and the effects (militant scalps) achieved, genuinely balance each other out? Can they ever? Is the cost worth the effect?
Such atrocities, in turn, traditionally motivate the relatives and friends of the innocent victims to seek revenge - and they join the militant groups in droves. So, instead of decimating the forces that oppose it, the US is, in effect, increasing their ranks and their motivation for vengeance. Can they not grasp this simple logic? Why do they not change their tunnel vision? Or do they deliberately ignore it? Or does the strong and influential military-industrial complex dictate policy and not allow them to think and act professionally and independently? Howsoever, is it not limiting the space for moderate discourse with the Taliban or militants, and foreclosing the chances of a peaceful settlement of the issue?
The current status of the Afghan campaign is symptomatic of confused US policy formulation and execution. The Obama Administration is apparently not very clear about its desired end state. It keeps changing the finishing line. It finds itself in the most unenviable and unwinnable position of trying to bring to a successful closure “someone else’s war” - a war it did not conceive, launch or conduct for the first seven to eight years! That is why there has been so much obfuscation in the strategic direction of this campaign.
Consequently, its strategic objectives have consistently been whittled down - from nation building and counter-insurgency operations to counter-terrorist operations and now it seems that they will just be too glad to egress the Afghan theatre of war post-haste. If President Obama is re-elected, then one can foresee a pre-poning of the egress of the US-Nato-Isaf combine from the APR. He may even decide not to leave any worthwhile forces or bases behind.
In other words, the US might just ditch this region, the Afghan nation, cuts its losses and head home!
The US has been encouraging India to fill in the vacuum, as it leaves the APR. The Indians, however, do not have the political, military or economic credentials or the clout to project power beyond their borders. At best, they could continue to invest in Afghanistan hoping one day that relations with Pakistan would improve and that trade corridors linking it to the CARS and beyond would become realities. If they do decide to get involved militarily in Afghanistan, then they will most certainly meet the same fate that the British, the Soviets and the Americans along with their allies will have met.
The US has dealt itself a very poor and weak hand by announcing its date of departure from the APR. The militants, thus, have no desire to negotiate with a foe, which they feel has already been defeated in mind if not in body. They can afford to wait, as patience is one of their better attributes. Militarily, the US and its allies have failed to defeat the militants decisively and the chances of success in the near future are literally non-existent. They need not reinforce failure.
The US needs to change its ways and means to achieve its, thus far, elusive strategic ends else it will continue to wallow in abject strategic vacuity. It must seek other innovative strategic or diplomatic means of tackling the Afghan problem. It should try some new initiative, perhaps, at the regional or sub-regional level, or even seek out those amongst the militant groups, which are amenable to negotiations. And then take it on from there.
But they must never lose sight of one maxim - Pakistan remains inevitable in all solutions to the Afghan imbroglio!
The writer is a retired brigadier and a former defence attaché to Australia and New Zealand.
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The Nation
November 4, 2012
US drones - reinforcing failure!
By Imran Malik
====
The current US policy enunciates that every male of weapon carrying age in Fata/NWA could possibly be a terrorist and thus can be a legitimate target. This is an unjustifiable policy. It does not meet the strict canons of international law and justice.
====
The foreign policy debate between Governor Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama was brutally realistic and portended ominous tidings for Pakistan. The US President did not need to elaborate on his drone policy, as it was being diligently and ruthlessly manifested by the CIA in the Fata/NWA literally as he spoke. Not surprisingly, Governor Romney agreed wholeheartedly with his opponent. This clearly indicated a bipartisan support to the USA’s drone policy towards the Taliban with ominous strategic connotations for Pakistan as well.
It, therefore, confirmed a continuation of US foreign policy approach towards the AfPak Region (APR) and the GWOT. The US strategic aims and objectives in the APR and the operational methodologies to attain them are unlikely to see any major changes in the near future. Thus, regardless of who wins the US presidency, innocent Pakistanis in Fata will continue to suffer death and destruction as the inevitable “collateral damage”.
The US is relying very heavily on the drones. It intends to defeat its adversaries without putting too many Americans at risk. But then a constant fixation on a single technology or methodology indicates a paucity of other viable strategic or diplomatic options. The incessant employment of drones is a clear case of diminishing returns as well as colossal human sufferings.
It is endlessly repeating what is continuously failing to make any tangible impact on the Taliban or militants or bringing its strategic objectives any nearer. It has neither been able to pacify the Taliban, nor defeat them or force them to negotiate from a position of weakness. It is a classic case of adamantly and stubbornly reinforcing failure.
The US needs to change tack. And if media reports are to be believed, the US may even pre-pone its departure from the APR, then it would add to the urgency of finding an alternative methodology to deal with this situation. (Assuming that the Pakistanis will not venture into the NWA unless solely dictated by their national interests.)
The current US policy enunciates that every male of weapon carrying age in Fata/NWA could possibly be a terrorist and thus can be a legitimate target. This is an unjustifiable policy. It does not meet the strict canons of international law and justice. It needs to be re-scrutinised and reviewed. The drones are killing scores of innocent men, women and children for the reported scalp of an odd low-to-middle ranking terrorist. Do the costs (in innocent human lives) and the effects (militant scalps) achieved, genuinely balance each other out? Can they ever? Is the cost worth the effect?
Such atrocities, in turn, traditionally motivate the relatives and friends of the innocent victims to seek revenge - and they join the militant groups in droves. So, instead of decimating the forces that oppose it, the US is, in effect, increasing their ranks and their motivation for vengeance. Can they not grasp this simple logic? Why do they not change their tunnel vision? Or do they deliberately ignore it? Or does the strong and influential military-industrial complex dictate policy and not allow them to think and act professionally and independently? Howsoever, is it not limiting the space for moderate discourse with the Taliban or militants, and foreclosing the chances of a peaceful settlement of the issue?
The current status of the Afghan campaign is symptomatic of confused US policy formulation and execution. The Obama Administration is apparently not very clear about its desired end state. It keeps changing the finishing line. It finds itself in the most unenviable and unwinnable position of trying to bring to a successful closure “someone else’s war” - a war it did not conceive, launch or conduct for the first seven to eight years! That is why there has been so much obfuscation in the strategic direction of this campaign.
Consequently, its strategic objectives have consistently been whittled down - from nation building and counter-insurgency operations to counter-terrorist operations and now it seems that they will just be too glad to egress the Afghan theatre of war post-haste. If President Obama is re-elected, then one can foresee a pre-poning of the egress of the US-Nato-Isaf combine from the APR. He may even decide not to leave any worthwhile forces or bases behind.
In other words, the US might just ditch this region, the Afghan nation, cuts its losses and head home!
The US has been encouraging India to fill in the vacuum, as it leaves the APR. The Indians, however, do not have the political, military or economic credentials or the clout to project power beyond their borders. At best, they could continue to invest in Afghanistan hoping one day that relations with Pakistan would improve and that trade corridors linking it to the CARS and beyond would become realities. If they do decide to get involved militarily in Afghanistan, then they will most certainly meet the same fate that the British, the Soviets and the Americans along with their allies will have met.
The US has dealt itself a very poor and weak hand by announcing its date of departure from the APR. The militants, thus, have no desire to negotiate with a foe, which they feel has already been defeated in mind if not in body. They can afford to wait, as patience is one of their better attributes. Militarily, the US and its allies have failed to defeat the militants decisively and the chances of success in the near future are literally non-existent. They need not reinforce failure.
The US needs to change its ways and means to achieve its, thus far, elusive strategic ends else it will continue to wallow in abject strategic vacuity. It must seek other innovative strategic or diplomatic means of tackling the Afghan problem. It should try some new initiative, perhaps, at the regional or sub-regional level, or even seek out those amongst the militant groups, which are amenable to negotiations. And then take it on from there.
But they must never lose sight of one maxim - Pakistan remains inevitable in all solutions to the Afghan imbroglio!
The writer is a retired brigadier and a former defence attaché to Australia and New Zealand.
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Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:14 am (PST) . Posted by:
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RT
November 4, 2012
Intelligence HQ in Libyan capital under grenade attack, militias clash outside
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Libya’s intelligence headquarters has been struck by a rocket propelled grenade as two rival militia groups clashed in Tripoli, says Al Arabiya TV.
At least five people have been injured, while the building has been partially destroyed, RT's Paula Slier reports.
According to Al Jazeera the two militia groups clashed as one gang was trying to rescue one of its members, who had been captured by the other gang.
The Central Tripoli Hospital also came under fire as militiamen attacked one another.
Earlier on Sunday a car bomb targeted a police station in the city of Benghazi injuring three police officers.
The attacks come just days after some 100 civilians and self-proclaimed rebels broke into the Libyan National General Congress, forcing the parliament to postpone a vote on a new cabinet.
More than a year after Muammar Gaddafi`s regime was dismantled, the country is still torn by clashes between armed militias, with the current government failing to restrain them.
Another problem is Libyan fragmentation, with numerous tribes confronting one another. On Saturday several thousand Libyans rallied for autonomy of the east, which has vast oil resources.
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RT
November 4, 2012
Intelligence HQ in Libyan capital under grenade attack, militias clash outside
Video at URL above
Libya’s intelligence headquarters has been struck by a rocket propelled grenade as two rival militia groups clashed in Tripoli, says Al Arabiya TV.
At least five people have been injured, while the building has been partially destroyed, RT's Paula Slier reports.
According to Al Jazeera the two militia groups clashed as one gang was trying to rescue one of its members, who had been captured by the other gang.
The Central Tripoli Hospital also came under fire as militiamen attacked one another.
Earlier on Sunday a car bomb targeted a police station in the city of Benghazi injuring three police officers.
The attacks come just days after some 100 civilians and self-proclaimed rebels broke into the Libyan National General Congress, forcing the parliament to postpone a vote on a new cabinet.
More than a year after Muammar Gaddafi`s regime was dismantled, the country is still torn by clashes between armed militias, with the current government failing to restrain them.
Another problem is Libyan fragmentation, with numerous tribes confronting one another. On Saturday several thousand Libyans rallied for autonomy of the east, which has vast oil resources.
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Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:43 pm (PST) . Posted by:
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Jiefang Daily
November 4, 2012
Should China abandon non-alignment?
Wang Yusheng
The Non-Aligned Movement was born out of the period of the Cold War and U.S.-Soviet striving for hegemony when the most representative alliances were the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and Warsaw Treaty Organization, followed by the U.S.-Japan Security Treaty. China has always been an observer and supporter of the Non-Aligned Movement all the way.
After the Cold War, the Warsaw Treaty Organization disintegrated and NATO also lost reason for existing, but the United States and some NATO countries did not abandon the Cold War mentality.
The United States has been pursuing the policy of expanding eastward and westward, pushing the border of NATO to the "doorway" of Russia, and enlarging the influence of the U.S.-Japan Security Treaty to contain China.
Under the circumstances, Chinese experts and scholars think that China is "being beset" and should consider allying to gain initiatives.
The United States is unpopular for its pursuit of alliances, and if China also engages in an alliance to contend with the United States, Japan or NATO, a global destructive "new Cold War" will take shape.
Non-alignment does not mean not deepening cooperation or that China has the same breadth and depth to cooperate with all countries.
Taking the relations between China and the United States as an example, China does not approve of the Group of Two (G2) and advocates the establishment of a new type of relations between great powers and mutual respect for each other's core interests and major concerns. However, the United States has been hedging its bets on China.
Over the past 10 years, the strategic partnership between China and Russia has actually become the model of the new type of relations between great powers after the Cold War, and both sides oppose alignment and unnecessary confrontation.
Though the members of Shanghai Cooperation Organization advocate non-alignment, non-confrontation and not targeting any third country, they have close cooperation and mutual support on fighting against "terrorism, national secessionism and religious extremism." Therefore, the answers to questions of what alignment means, who China should ally with and who wants to ally with China are obvious.
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Jiefang Daily
November 4, 2012
Should China abandon non-alignment?
Wang Yusheng
The Non-Aligned Movement was born out of the period of the Cold War and U.S.-Soviet striving for hegemony when the most representative alliances were the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and Warsaw Treaty Organization, followed by the U.S.-Japan Security Treaty. China has always been an observer and supporter of the Non-Aligned Movement all the way.
After the Cold War, the Warsaw Treaty Organization disintegrated and NATO also lost reason for existing, but the United States and some NATO countries did not abandon the Cold War mentality.
The United States has been pursuing the policy of expanding eastward and westward, pushing the border of NATO to the "doorway" of Russia, and enlarging the influence of the U.S.-Japan Security Treaty to contain China.
Under the circumstances, Chinese experts and scholars think that China is "being beset" and should consider allying to gain initiatives.
The United States is unpopular for its pursuit of alliances, and if China also engages in an alliance to contend with the United States, Japan or NATO, a global destructive "new Cold War" will take shape.
Non-alignment does not mean not deepening cooperation or that China has the same breadth and depth to cooperate with all countries.
Taking the relations between China and the United States as an example, China does not approve of the Group of Two (G2) and advocates the establishment of a new type of relations between great powers and mutual respect for each other's core interests and major concerns. However, the United States has been hedging its bets on China.
Over the past 10 years, the strategic partnership between China and Russia has actually become the model of the new type of relations between great powers after the Cold War, and both sides oppose alignment and unnecessary confrontation.
Though the members of Shanghai Cooperation Organization advocate non-alignment, non-confrontation and not targeting any third country, they have close cooperation and mutual support on fighting against "terrorism, national secessionism and religious extremism." Therefore, the answers to questions of what alignment means, who China should ally with and who wants to ally with China are obvious.
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Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:43 pm (PST) . Posted by:
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Trend News Agency
November 3, 2012
Georgian President, U.S. Secretary of State discussed integration into NATO
N. Kirtzkhalia
Tbilisi: Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton discussed Georgia's integration into NATO in a telephone conversation on Saturday, it was said on the official Facebook page of the President of Georgi. During the conversation the sides discussed the "progress towards the integration of Georgia into NATO."
"Saakashvili and Clinton also discussed the NATO ministerial meeting scheduled for December," administration of the President of Georgia reported.
At the ministerial meeting the progress of Georgia will be discussed, and first of all democratically elections to the parliament of Georgia and the peaceful transfer of power.
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Civil Georgia
November 4, 2012
Clinton Speaks on Phone with Saakashvili and Georgia's New FM
Tbilisi: During a phone conversation on November 3, President Saakashvili urged U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to push for Georgia’s NATO integration when foreign ministers from the alliance meet in December, according to the Georgian president’s administration.
Also on November 3 the U.S. Secretary of State spoke on the phone with Georgia’s new foreign minister, Maia Panjikidze, according to the Georgian Foreign Ministry; it said that bilateral relations and Georgia’s contribution to NATO-led operations in Afghanistan were discussed.
The Georgian president’s administration said that “success achieved by Georgia on the path of NATO integration” was the main issue discussed during the phone conversation between Saakashvili and Clinton.
“Mikheil Saakashvili has called on the Secretary of State to use the chance that emerged against the background of democratically held [October 1 parliamentary] elections and power transition and to discuss Georgia’s NATO integration during the upcoming [NATO foreign] ministerial meeting,” the Georgian President’s administration said.
Trend News Agency
November 3, 2012
Georgian President, U.S. Secretary of State discussed integration into NATO
N. Kirtzkhalia
Tbilisi: Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton discussed Georgia's integration into NATO in a telephone conversation on Saturday, it was said on the official Facebook page of the President of Georgi. During the conversation the sides discussed the "progress towards the integration of Georgia into NATO."
"Saakashvili and Clinton also discussed the NATO ministerial meeting scheduled for December," administration of the President of Georgia reported.
At the ministerial meeting the progress of Georgia will be discussed, and first of all democratically elections to the parliament of Georgia and the peaceful transfer of power.
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http://www.civil.
Civil Georgia
November 4, 2012
Clinton Speaks on Phone with Saakashvili and Georgia's New FM
Tbilisi: During a phone conversation on November 3, President Saakashvili urged U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to push for Georgia’s NATO integration when foreign ministers from the alliance meet in December, according to the Georgian president’s administration.
Also on November 3 the U.S. Secretary of State spoke on the phone with Georgia’s new foreign minister, Maia Panjikidze, according to the Georgian Foreign Ministry; it said that bilateral relations and Georgia’s contribution to NATO-led operations in Afghanistan were discussed.
The Georgian president’s administration said that “success achieved by Georgia on the path of NATO integration” was the main issue discussed during the phone conversation between Saakashvili and Clinton.
“Mikheil Saakashvili has called on the Secretary of State to use the chance that emerged against the background of democratically held [October 1 parliamentary] elections and power transition and to discuss Georgia’s NATO integration during the upcoming [NATO foreign] ministerial meeting,” the Georgian President’s administration said.
